thanks for that. just tried it again, and still the same... dont know why, i know it's something I am doing wrong, and will give up on it until I hear back from the guys at RDNA, as this is driving me nuts. I only select the head option, nothing else is selected, yet it plays up... i attached a pic with ligher skin from the back... as you see it does the same still.... grrrrrr.... never mind, not meant to be for right now. But sure that I'll get it to work at some point.... it must be something I am doing wrong, just dont know what.... Thanks also for explaining re the python change, that makes sense, at least I can stop trying that one now. Thanks agian. :)