It sounds like you know what you're talking about and I am highly encouraged. What exactly is a jp? joint parameters? Just making sure. One problem is that my pieces parts of my shoes don't show twist bend, etc in the joint editor, just the YScale and the center. They have the xyz rotate on the dials, but only the center and yscale in the joint editor. I don't fully understand what you're referring to when you say "you can open/close the joint X's and move/size the twist bar." It sounds like something I want to do to fix them, but I'm ignorant as to what is what in the joint editor. The manual that comes with poser is not very informative. (I was very frustrated with the chapters about heirarchy, especially.) BTW, these shoes are for vicki and I hear she's a bit of an extra pain to conform to. Thanks for the info so far. :o) Can you help me a bit more? I'm slow with the technical side of poser. I only do it cause I have to in order to achieve the ends I desire.