Oh man, now I'm confused. I have to tell you guys that I like the second one less than I like the first one. And I don't like the first one all that much. Maybe I should confess here that I pretty much don't like anything I do. My images never seem right to me. That's why I don't post in the gallery. It's also why I said I stink at this. Anyway, in the second version of the scene, all detail in the trees is lost. That's one of the features I did like about the first one. And the clouds (the "lines") in the sky are gone. Plus, now it's harder to see that the trees and grass are sitting on top of a small plateau, separate from the plane below. By the way Varian, I'd forgotten that you gave me that URL. Thanks, I'll go there tomorrow. Also, I saw your recent comment on the redwoods. Thank you very much. I'll work on it some more and post the results. Thanks guys for everything. I'll get this one of these days.