Even tho I STILL don't have Vue 4 yet...call me a lunk-head, but kid's are back to school now and they need clothes, not to mention 2 birthdays in the same month..., but I was a beta tester and working with it was really a pleasure. I do have Bryce 5 however, even tho I don't have WB3. I have heard from friends that WB3 has an extreme learning curve. Bryce 5 is, well, just not what I expected. I should have known better since I always had trouble with it and version 5 is NO different. I can't make anything but "poo" with it, if you know what I mean ;). But Vue I took to right away. Not to say that I made great stuff with it overnight (and the great stuff is debateable according to whom you talk to ;)), but using it was ALWAYS easy. The 4 views are a real blessing in that you always know just where your object is in a scene, mixing materials is SUPER easy and the renders are the fastest of any program I've ever used in this genre. One can get really excellent results, even art newbies :). If you are having trouble with WB3, you really can't go wrong with Vue...it gives so much bang for the buck and is probably the easiest 3D landscape program to learn there is. Of course, this IS the Vue forum and we are probably ALL a little biased ;). I do agree that you should download the demo and try it out. But I think after you do you'll be convinced :). Laurie