"So does that mean that Poser is left to rely solely on old versions of Daz figures and whatever modifications its user community can come up with that make them function in future versions of Poser without violating copyrights?" That's pretty much the situation. Creating a figure that could rival Genesis would take a lot of time, talent and money. First you need access to a full body laser scanner to create some realistic human 3D shapes. No "eyeballing" or "tracing photographs" for Genesis. Then you have to translate that raw mesh into a topology that works inside Poser and on most peoples low end computers. I.e. you have to limit yourself to perhaps 70.000 to 100.000 polys yet have all the necessary edgelooping to depict anatomically correct musculature without elaborate displacement maps. Of course the mesh still has to bend well using Poser's render engine, so you need to exactly know the optimal placement and number for the edgeloops for the joints. Then UV-mapping. You need to know how to map to achieve the least texture stretching even if the mesh morphs from pre-teen to adult to alien life-form to fantasy monster. Then the morphs: First the necessary JCMs as even weightmapping is not able to create realistic joints on it's own. Then all the different human and non-human bodystyles. And don't forget the expressions. People in the Poserverse also expect a sh*tload of content right from the start, so you'd better have a small army of top end content creators eagerly waiting to support that new line of figures. Sorry if that sounds defaetist, but that's pretty much the current situation as I see it. By not supporting Genesis, Poser painted itself into a very dark corner, and no "3rd party" figure will be able to save the day unless that figure is every bit as good as Genesis is. And sorry, again, but after twelve years of seeing each and any of those "3rd party" figures failing completely to even put a tiny scratch into DAZ' bottom line, I don't think any individual can do that unless that individual is willing to pump SERIOUS money into that project. Poser is to 99% about the figures. Everything else is secondary. And DAZ was able to build a full fledged monopoly over the years and we all, and especially the owners of Poser, happily let that happen. Grassroots efforts like Antonia or a WM'd this or a WM'd that won't keep Poser afloat. If Poser wants to survive, something more professional has to happen. If you can do it, please and by all means, do it. But Poser and so called "professional" 3D apps are two completely different kind of animals. Don't think for a second that a successfull Poser figure could be made easily or would be cheap just because Poser is cheap and easy to learn. I'm modelling for Poser for twelve years now and I've seen hundreds of models that looked fantastic in MAX or other high end modellers but were completely unuseable in Poser. So in the end, whatever I wanted for Poser and what hadn't been done already by someone else for Poser, I had to build myself from scratch. The DAZ meshes, including Genesis, are far from perfect and I really don't feel much love for DAZ as a buisiness, but they have the experience and they have the support and they pretty much know what they are doing. I welcome any attempt to "challenge" them as I don't like monopolys, but I won't give give any praise or encouragement just for "effort". No cop-outs or cutting corners. Build a truly better mesh than DAZ can and I'll give you happily all my praise. But I don't think it'll be going to happen and because of that my outlook for Poser's future is quite bleak. As crappy and as buggy Studio 4 still is in some respects, and as great as Poser's SSS ond lights are now, if I hadn't had my own set of figures to work with, I would have dropped Poser like a hot potato the moment I've tested Genesis the first time. Sadly, people don't want to hear the truth. I predicted the big rift the moment I peeked into V4's magnet ridden cr2. But people kept their eyes firmly shut and rather wanted to believe that DAZ "never would let their most faithful customers down" Now they want to believe that Poser could survive without a set of professionally made figures. Good luck with that.