Munnies mostly, Last time I priced out 3D Smax  here it was $5000, C4D is something like $4000, Modo is near $2000, way to much to spend on a hobby. I'm disabled with severe chronic depression and arthritis, so while I have the time now, I don't have the income. Anyway, for what I do, Poser 2012 is enough. I soaked a small pile on Vue 10 Studio, so that's enough for now. By the time my bank account recovers it'll be time for upgrades.