so its ok to drape hair as an initial styling then use the bake script to lock it down? im still seeing the displacement when baking after affirming it is centered, i may need to try a diff skullcap this one is slightly off center by default,the origin is visibly off center form the geometry no idea why that is...it was free so i have no complaints, ill  take it into max and center the origin and try it again

interresting side note: ever use the morph tool to style and smooth with? then bake the verts and delete the morph?...it seems to work pretty well fast and accurate, easy to make curls and waves, no effect on the simulation at all that i can see. hell of a lot easier than trying to drag hair around by the end verts, just put the end where you want it and smooth the remainder into place... ill have to play with this more later, im testing this on my hair ball prop btw...

 im running on less than an hour of  sleep in 2 days... can you tell?  i tend to start babbling ...lol

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Y'all have a great day.