Yeah, alas, Poser 5 is still in the future. I sure wish I knew what it will contain. There was such a jump between 2 and 3. There were only a few improvements between 3 and 4. I can only imagine what 5 might have in it. A better baby, I hope. Unless DAZ is planning a Millennium baby that looks human. The one in 4 looks like a Roswell experiment gone bad. What's with the swollen eyes, anyway? But I digress.... Sorry, TinyLady, I guess we'll all have to wait for Poser 5. Curious Labs isn't giving us much of a clue when it will be released or what's in it. Melanie