Thanks RV  its all W3D  it took  a LOOONG  time to get where I am now - but still  have a way  to  go - to  ST's point-  he may very  well be correct that  the elbows are not right- i have only rigged  and tried this model out  concentrating only on thighs buttocks and collars 

so  I think  while those areas are getting close to  final  mesh,   its the  elbows, knees, fingers  that  i have not even  really tried out extensively with joints yet and probably  will  present some needed fixes

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