NP Rich, I would've assumed the same, 'cept Whoopdat had made a post just before this one mentioning the version. Otherwise...who knows what the heck I might've said! =:D Oooh, on the armor, try setting the Y scale to "-1.0" for the material. (I don't use Poser models enough to remember all this stuff up front, darnit.) The Y = -1 is helpful to remember, though. :)