kylumi and chohole are you self appointed DAZ representatives? Because if you are then you're embarassing the company. Are we back in grade school where bullies got together to try to push other people around? Seriously? You wrote an amazing story kylumi, you should pass that by a publisher and see what they have to say. Who knows, you might get published. Is this the type of climate you maintain in the DAZ forums? Do you make fun of people for daring to question the almighty DAZ? Do you really get that frustrated with people because they continue to disagree with you? If you aren't communicating effeciently, it's best to let someone else handle it. And if you aren't capable of having a decent conversation without making fun or cutting people then you both should probably just keep your mouth shut.

With regard to the installers, I don't know what's up. What I do know is that people have complained about their AV giving them a warning with some DAZ installers. I've seen first-hand what happens when I've installed from the older installers, the one's that are red with a round DAZ logo and a Z. I already provided the URLs to the previous sites that were, potentially, collecting the info. Now, either the information was being gleaned in order to provide personal information so DAZ could track who is installing their products and/or for marketting purposes. Doesn't matter, what does matter is that if they were collecting personal information, they should have informed their customers first.

If DAZ was not collecting the information, and this just occurred to me, the other possiblity is that whomever made the installers left tracks in the installers before licensing, and it's very possible that DAZ was not aware. However, they should have been in the know about this before allowing customers to use them.

Skiriki, I have hundreds of DAZ installers and I don't have time to install each one in order to give you examples. Just go through your own data, pick some that come from 2008 and away you go... Look for the one's made in 2008 with the red DAZ logo. If you have the Win 7 developer installed on a machine, that might be worth doing your research on.

RHaseltine, thank you for the explanation. I still don't understand how the installer would bring up three web pages. One for download.com, one for data.country code/poser and the last one was supposed to load the readme, but couldn't find it on the localhost. And these are the same URLs no matter what product I've installed that come from 2008.

Khory_D, I am using common sense and learned a long time ago to never follow along like a lamb. Always question when something isn't right. You're right, this is speculation. It's how people get to the bottom of things. It's how questions are answered. I don't need to provide you or anyone else with proof. This isn't a court of law and you are not my judge. Believe whatever you want. I am simply pointing out issues with the installers in correlation with the warnings that manleystanley spoke about. Besides the fact that many, if not all, businesses hire other companies to do their marketting research. How do you think commercials targe specific audiences? It's how businesses operate and how they stay in business. Ever answer a questionaire for a company? It was a result of marketting research. We are a society of net freaks, so marektting has adapted. It isn't beyond the realm of possibilities have personal data released or to be tracked through an installer.

You think this is a bunch of BS? Good for you, I'm glad you have an opinion that you felt you could express freely without other people making fun of you. Other people are expressing their thoughts and concerns and they are just as valid as anyone else. I don't know if DAZ was collecting the info for piracy purposes or for marketting or both or if they even knew about it. I have no clue. What I do know is what I've seen and I'm combining that with what other people are saying with regard to the installers.

I didn't say that the DAZ site change was the reason for a change to zips. I said that many customers have requested zips over installers. But that never happened and the ONLY reason it's happening now is because the new "eCommerce site cannot deliver installers," so DAZ must convert to zips. At least that's what I read in their forum a few days before it went down.

Those of you who are joking around having a good time making fun of people, you can just laugh alone. Why not let a DAZ representative answer questions without your interferance, or is there something you feel you need to protect them from? DAZ is not a person nor are they a child who needs protecting and defending. They are a hierarchy of individuals who run a corporation. Those of you who feel that DAZ has been slighted or bashed. Stop it! Stop getting emotional about a company and start acting like adults. You know the one's who debate with respect.

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