Tucan-Tiki Yep! And several of us helped test it until most of the bugs were worked out. Mike (Phantom3D) started work on M4-WM- I got involved with other things and have not been part of that project-so I don't know the status. " I second that darkedge, I think they just wanted to go in amnother direction with thier own product and no longer support poser, they have no obligation to support it and they do have thier own product to promote." True! Although they did allow the team to create V4-WM.