Well, more like Vue 4's material editor since it looks like it's only gotten more complicated in the years since ;). But with Vue 4's materials I really COULD create just about anything - MYSELF ;). I didn't have to go running to anyone just to even maybe get an inkling of what's actually going on in Poser's material room much less have them figure it out for me completely. I even managed opal in Vue 4's material editor. Looked really convincing too...lol. What I'm saying is, you could replicate nearly anything with just a few things like specular, emission, diffuse and reflect and refract and a whole lot of functions a whole lot easier than the spaghetti hell we're in now - understood but by a few and exasperating to many. Frankly, I think they should ditch it and start over ;).

Laurie