I agree with the above I started in metacreations rather late but I've owned Corel since version 3 - 4 - 5 and now 8 and I was so dissapointed about hearing that Corel got Bryce I actually have to admitt they really haven't done any damage to it but I can see Bryce 6 with only one big change they'll probably make the trees to animate (which they could have put in this version) As far as metacreations there gone forget about em If Evoia is willing to give out the disscounts fine but I see them giving out about as helpful information as metacreations did. I've been to their site for help with amapi and the documentation is terrible. Other then that all the software listed above stands against all the really expensive stuff out there (and the others are very very expensive)