maybe that's true.  but i've set fold resistance to 1000 and still get ugly folds cutting through each other on tight cloth.  if the loops would slide back and forth then maybe i wouldn't have that.   i've turned friction totally off to get good sliding, and that is working okay.

anyway i'm still working on a sim of stocking-like garment on the thighs and hip, really more of a bicycle short.  i've morphed the joint so there are no poly collisions between the hip and thigh, which will throw error and tear the cloth.  i'm getting better success from a very dense mesh. 

whoops now i'm hijacking the thread though so i'm moving on from this narrowness.

go that way really fast.
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