rockjockjared, you will have the skills needed, just keep at it, I know that max isn't an easy program, but you'll get it. I've tried the Z-Buffer method and it's not looking too good. I tried making a texture map for this look, but that didn't work out either. Guess I have to live without it. It just looks so darn cool. The wires method works somewhat OK, but still doesn't look right on all sides of it. I'll keep trying and see if I can get close. Thanks for the ideas and suggestionss guys. kaom