ImagineThat: Thanks for making this personal with your uncalled-for personal attacks and showing everyone your sub-standard maturity level ... "I read your lame posts and I still say your an uneducated idiot." I won't even dignify that with a response, other than to say I don't need to defend my educational level or intellect from the likes of you. Although it does not surprise me one bit ... people who are faced with facts and can not win an argument on their own expertise (or lack there of) often resort to name calling and swearing. Glad you avoided the latter though. Anyway to address your other comments (notice I won't call you a moron, insecure spazz, misinformed numbskull, overzealous jackass, or any of the crude things like you have been attacking me with since your first post) ... 1) I NEVER said or assumed you were a Mac user, I simply refuted your false claims/accusations about me and my posts as I am doing now. 2) I only started explaining my opinions on some (of the many) reasons why I don't care to use Macs after Mac users started slandering PCs. 2b) My comments, such as the three you quoted, were simple fact. These weren't even my opinions ... it's a FACT that Apple has a miserably small share of the computing market. It's a FACT that MANY developers overlook the Mac (myself included) because we are in business, not running a charity, and therefore need to make profits. For a lot of companies it simply is not profitable to develop a product for such a small market. There are tons of Amiga users out there too ... but they make up an even smaller percentage. Do you want companies to start making software for them too? Just because Amiga-users know in their heart-of-hearts that they really are the best system on the planet? Not to mention what the rock-solid information WIZ has posted about the other important factors. I'm not sure what "proof" you want as I am basing this on my experience using both Macs and PCs extensively. I'm sorry it pisses you off that I and countless other developers don't want to waste their time and money developing for the Mac platform, I really am ... but that's honestly not what this post was about. The third person mentioned they would be losing sales, and I simply explained the cold hard truth that they (MK) could probably care less, which -- AGAIN -- I am basing as a software developer and what is happening in the market. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe THEY do care and will try to do something about it. Whether or not Apple is dying or not, will be argued until we're all blue in the face, and that is my one original comment that is highly subjective I realize. However, I am basing it on the facts: Such as Apple's limited expandability, exorbitant pricing, market share, dead end with software, AND the fact that as more and more people in the graphic community are realizing that the PC platforms (particularly those with an NT kernel) do graphics/video/etc. just as well, or in some cases, better than Macs they are going to loose even more market share. First the school systems bailed out Mac back in the 80's, and for a time anyone doing graphics was Mac-loyal. But the tables are turning and more and more graphics-oriented people are turning towards PCs because they are every bit as good, easy to use, and they are a LOT less expensive. This is what I'm basing my "dying" statements on. I hope this is quite clear to you now, and I hope that you actually read what I am saying. -Tim