Look I am not complaining about Bryce at all just a few things I have thought about. a few would take some time to inpliment yes, but a few would not take that long. I could whine and moan about this and that in bryce like a lot of others. But intead I thought hey lets look at a few things that we would like to see in Bryce. You know not every app out on the market is created by what the developers think we want 90% of the time is what the end user wants. SO speak up, say what you want, You never know who might read this and think that something you said is a great idea. Yes I could go out and buy one of those others but then again I could just start using blender only and skip having to pay. But myself I have been working with bryce for some time now (still not good but working on it) and I don't feel like another learning curve. I got enough learning in my life right now with keeping up in the programming area, going through the MCSE and MCDBA classes to waste any more time on another 3D app. And Kaom you have alot of good idea there some that I never thought of or have not looked at yet. And yes you are right they could add alot of these with an almost unnoticeable cost to us the end users Teaur "Buy the ticket. Take the ride" Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson