Uhm yes as I drop more and more strips, and I began 2 allow strips 2 pass into each other ... and that got me wondering, Poser warns against overlapping geometries ... I note u mention cylinders in cylinders ... I mean I could b careful and not allow geometries 2 pass into others of course, or better, afterwards it's all laid out, just drag the geometries back out of each other, kinda nudge em out, so they don't overlap ... I suppose when trying 2 make conforming hair, breaking the mesh up, strips passing into other strips would cuz serious problems!!