I do agree with you about the coding there BT it si a hodge podge. I have heard the runor that they might be re writing it. But you have to remember what I said in my last post Corel only has the right to use the Bryce engine. Heck even the main app as it is right now is not their own doing they inherrited the app from... metacreations. Dang that took a while to remember had to get out my old copy of bryce 3 to find that one. But I digress. Either way if they keep it cobbled together like it is or redesign it I would really like to see them talk to the user community there are a lot of good things that have been mentioned in this thread that I feel would add to Bryce and make it better. Yes I do agree that as it is now it is getting slower due to all the stuff that is being added in with each version. But that is only to be expected when working with an already existing app like this. either way I like what they have been able to do with Bryce so far and I hope they keep it up in the future. And well if and when B6 comes out I suspect that it will be well worth it. One of the things that made me happy with B5 is the network rendering and the trees. THe main reason I made the inital posting was I got sick of reading about people complaining about all the problems they find with B5 and not actually saying "Hey this would be a nice feature." But I guess that is just the programmer in me. You see I have to deal with UIs mainly in my coding so I have constant end user input. And from most of my experience most the other programmers I know tend listen more to ideas that end users want to see in with the app they use. Either way I think that Corel is doing a great job with what they have been given and I look forward to seeing what they do in the future. Teaur "Buy the ticket. Take the ride" Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson