Thanks for the comment's the image was done in work, at lunch time of a very bad day, it was to say I'm up to my neck in it, the ball bearings are a "cheap subsitute" for a ball and chain... I dint have time to model these. But the general theme of the image was to was that I'm up to my neck in it and I'm sinking fast. with the balls closing in around my neck. (these being various things or people) alittle morbid I know.. to expand on what I was saying about the texure... it seems to come out very very flat, not much depth to it. the eye lashes are about the only thing which stands out.... The eye's totally messed up. I was hoping that they would appear as balls of bright fire.... I think I can sort that one out, with a little playing around. As I said before and sorry for banging on the face just is too flat and feature less, I have created bumps, played with the texture, the lighting but it still comes out DULL. Many Many thanks for the comments.