I don't want anyone to have the impression I'm ungrateful. I agree that the very least one can do is to give credit. I even believe in giving credit to those I've paid. I've even posted a few threads. Here's one http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=392808 not enough can be said about how great Free Stuff is and what it means to our community. I'd go so far as to say Poser 4 by itself out of the box is worthless trash if it weren't for the goodies that come from this community. I absolutely mean that. I model with LW and am pretty good. But I can never have enough time to meet all my prop/people needs not to mention textures.