Well Phil and Teyon, I tried the tutorials and still nothing. got a feeling it's my comp. this dino is finally showing it's age. I noticed that my progs have been running a little slower lately. Just tried to applying textures to the parts that will make up the hands and the poser prog could only run half the textures. I pulled some of the parts out and tried again and it (poser) ran fine. apparently either i have a bad ram or my process is going out. gonna have to up-grade. found a really good one for about $900. it's a little steep but it comes with windows 7, 2T of process and 16 g of storage with a 3rd gen intel proc. also comes with 28" mon,mouse and board. thinking about getting it. they'll take payments. about $40 a month.