Just adding my 2 cents, I would repeat what cowtoast said. In all of my many posted images, where I use the basic terrain models that run flat to the surrounding area, I always lift the red in the terrain editor, most often having set the resolution to something over 512 in that little grid area. This is also necessary if you use the terrains for making objects you can use. Just draw out your shape, raise the "red" and you'll have the object without the square base around it. Walt "Mike"