oOOo thanks bloodsong =) I'll check it out, I'm always much more comfortable with doing effects by hand because then if it doesn't work out I can find out why and fix it =) plus then you have more control over it I get what you mean, I'd be able to do it in psp, but I'm still a bit new to photoshop - I'll have to fiddle around a bit to get used to the transformations thanks again SewerRat p.s. trav - I was just thinking, it looks to me like they've used a relatively long exposure on this photo, which would leave the guy a teensy bit out of focus...if it's possible to blur him a miniscule bit, not enough to really notice without knowing what to look for, maybe that'll help? either way, it's a cool picture, I love the staff =)