LaurieA: Yeah im gonna try that next. I used to ignore ezskin2, but when i finally stopped being lazy and grabbed it, i tried it out on a freak 4 character. It turned a dull boring render into a great one with the press of a button, and that was using default poser lighting. I was amazed how it not only made the skin look so much better, but made it look good under crap lighting! And the render times did not increase much at all. It seems to do well with human skin, but it doesn't show much difference in a lot of the fantasy type characters like this lizard model i got.