Very well put. It just seems that we could see something new in such a long time. Third party support has taken Poser4 further then Curious in my opinion. Things like transmapped hair, MAT files, etc. to name a few. And from what I hear, Pro Pack has some major problems. I never updated to ProPack because it didn't appear to have any of the features that I was waiting for. So it has been a long time since I have seen something new. I would love to see Curious Labs make a buck. But to do that they need to offer something worth buying. I have never even seen a Poser Retail box in a computer store, and I go into CompUSA, Best Buy, Office Depot, Office Max, and Circuit City a lot. Maybe they could generate some money if they would get their product on the shelves. I see Bryce 5 at some of the above mentioned places, and for $299. People will pay for something new. Like you said, all software now days seems to have bugs. I just bought Animatek World Builder several months ago. I have my problems with it, but I at least am using it. When it comes to software cycles, Poser is WAY past due!