Yes, that did help some...but It's still very frustraiting. After I reread your previous posts, I figured out that you probally ment to just move it, since the only other tool that would so something like that was the bevel. But I still get the feeling that I'm doing it wrong, and moving the points around to get the shape of her face is hard. Ack. I'll try and tag along though :) After a few dozen tries I should have it down. Heh.