> Quote - I stick with M4 and V4 because quality and appearance wise, Genesis just isn't much better, especially for those huge file sizes. And for the majority of poser users who are casuals like myself, that's all that really matters, is the appearance. Add that i'm more of a photoshop postwork whore, and that makes Genesis even more irrelevant. Bad bends or creases? Easy fix in photoshop. Slight quality difference? Easy fix with softening techniques/HDR toning and for those more advanced users, Luxrender/Reality. In some cases, Genesis products look worse than some of their older ones. Sanctums Horde Werewolf looks way better than the Genesis MS Werewolf. The Horde werewolf was made like 3-4 years earlier too. > > A lot of us already have bought a ton of products for M4/V4 too, and don't want to buy everything again. Genesis does make some things easier, but that doesn't matter since we're already comfortable with how the Generation 4 products work, so we're used to things like morph injections and what not. > > And even though i'm using poser pro 2012, there's a lot of people still using earlier versions, which Genesis is not compatible with. And i keep reading that DS-on has quite a bit of problems. It's just not worth it imo.

Let me show you something. Because everytime I see canned posts like this I cringe, because then I know you really haven't worked with it, you're just repeating stuff somebody said. Just like you tinker in photoshop, I tinker in zbrush. Just like you, if I don't like something, I have no problem fixing it.

Now I bought SAV's Alpha male M5 and there's a few things I wanted to change bodywise on it, so I did. So I sculpted a different body on him. Hips, chest, abs, glutes, feet, thighs... just like Blackhearted did with the Girl Next Door for V4. Then I softed up the shape so it doesn't have any hard cuts in it. Instantly, this body shape blows away anything you could do with M4 or Gen3. (And I haven't shown you his back ;) ). The same thing could be done with a female model if you or someone else wanted. This is a shift on how you do things, and sure M5 has less polys to work with... but it doesn't look like it's really made a difference when you figure out how to work the mesh.

Now, I wanted to put him in something sexy... guess what? No one really made sexy underwear for M4... but they sure did for David 3... and I have lots of gen3 stuff sitting in my runtime.... so bam... he's wearing David 3's underwear. Did I buy more stuff? Nope, and let me tell you... this looked a disaster on M4 because when i converted it, it put a nasty split right up the crotch. And also: I didn't have to do much fussing with clothing, because now this custom body shape is going to fit work with all my clothing. And now, i get to pull my gen3 clothing that I could never use with Gen4 and play with that as well.