Snow, if by now you haven't figured out that you're not going to convince someone that has run into problems with ds, to try, try, try, ad nauseum.  I don't care how much you give for what passes for documentation and tuts, I'm one that has been completely turned against ds and won't try again, period.  I'm not alone either. In my machines, ds starts to load, then crashes to desktop.  I'm not interested enough to try to get it to run when "add/remove" is so easy to use.  Any pushing to try something usually has the opposite effect.  More resistance, and more disbelief of those doing the pushing.  In effect, you're trying to tell me I "need" the gene thing, I'm saying I don't need it that bad.  You have no chance of me being the one that's wrong.

Doric.

The "I" in Doric is Silent.