I appreciate those non-postworked renders here ... and I'd like to thank everyone for very good info. I've been thinking about getting Poser 9, wouldn't there be the M5/Genesis issue. The body shape/customization issue Male_M3dia mentioned for instance is something I didn't know before and never researched about. The M4 morph options so far have been sufficient to me, but surely, that would be a big advantage for M5 ... and the fact I could use my old M4 textures. However, after reading through some DSON issues, I'm not sure if I want to join the fun :( Tyler looks very interesting, I love the renders I've seen of him (and also that one Glitterati3D posted here), however if it's difficult to morph the head shape without ZBrush so he looks distinctively less Tyler it would restrict my opportunities extremely, since I don't own ZBrush and in near future don't plan investing in it. The smoothing system looks interesting too ... I'll certainly have a look at it.