Thanks to everyone for replying to this discussion - lots of good info here. I did at last get both items I was working on to drape correctly. I had missed the info in the readme of one stating how to use to morph tool to fix lasting poke through.

www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2402425

The second one worked when I used a different pose, not sure why that is.

However, when I saved the pz3 in both cases it messed up the clothes. Is there a way to save a work in progress when using dynamic clothes?

thanks again,

mystmaiden