What you said. I am pleased that it has not (completely) turned into a V4 vs. Genesis thread.There really are other great figures out there-that I am spending too little time exploring. I've already spent hundreds on Genesis related content- only to find it gets bogged down when too many morphs are "Active." If I can figure out how to spawn a character in Daz-THEN bring it in as a single active FBM....After all the V5 FBM by itself does not take much time at all to cloth and transfer morphs to the clothing.

Male3D (He who ONLY renders males)- Phantom (Diogenes) has a male character he made himself that looks very impressive- I can't remember the name-someone else here likely will. My male renders are usually fully armored or robed-so the fine muscle details don't matter to me-but all that looked quite realistic with Diogenes figure. Of course Genesis can look pretty convincing as a male-so you may have no interest.

Quote - Sigh, if only one person here had an attitude problem, world peace would be upon us. We all have our schtick but seriously it's always the same 3-4 that have an obsession with pushing each other to new heights of pre-teen idiocy over the same damned thing - that would have died by now otherwise.