I'd probably choose petting kittehs over walking dogs but I agree a break is probably good for everyone. For better or (probably) worse though, people are spending a lot of their lives online now and the conventional social , cues etc. of the RW are either absent or don't always work quite the same. People are going to take sides over everything from women in combat to Beyonce lip synching the SSB. What would be a friendly disagreement at the bus stop turns nasty on teh inner tubes for some reason. IMO we ahould at least try to move things in a better direction - futile though the attempt may be. Of course down home here we had one ol' boy shoot another one dead over picking the radio station to listen to, but that's just the way we roll.

Shouldn't this thread be marked OT?

Or did I miss something about Poser somewhere in the string of messages?

Yeah, I guess I'll appoint you as the guy to moderate the moderator! :)

I just heard back from my supervisor...

Both the Ignore Button and the ability to flag messages as inappropriate have been placed on a list of new features to consider when forum coding is done later in the Spring.

Short answer: Not now for both.

Long Term Outlook: Being considered, (seriously, I'm told.)

lets translate that.... as.... "lets tell them something so they'll forget it." (not you Basic)

sorry... heard those words "being considered" to many times before to believe it.

Hate to say it but I have to agree with Khai

oh well, it would have been nice

If it ever comes to pass it will sure make my job a lot easier!

mayhap they will listen  and do something   but  i aint  holdin  my  breath cause  i dont  want  to  turn  purple  and cease to exist and yes  it  would  make  your  job a  lot easier  Wiz

If you want a ignore button that's fine ,
but if you ignore james.
but if sue responds to jack in quotes ya still see the post.
so ignore buttons not a perfect fix.

I know it's hard some times but it's best be grown up and not respond.

Back in the C4D 9 days C4D did not have there own forums.
I always thought that was lame but I liked C4D.
Most used CGTalk.

At CGTalk A dude posted .
It's been years but it went something like this.
I got a job teaching how to create characters in 3 months. So how do you create characters ?

My response was it takes years you can't do it.
There was some responses some thing like .he didn't ask that.

Anyways I agree I did not handle it all that well.
But the punishment way way beyond the crime.

Any school that would hire a teacher that don't know what there doing it's not a school it's a scam.

These's scamers on the net.

So I got put on probation at CGTalk.
So the moderators half to approve my post before they post it.
could take from a hour to days.

That's the = to letting you run ya gas station every other day.
I'm trying to run a business & there trying to kill my business.

I don't use CGTalk anymore .Have nothing nice to say about CGTalk.
It's a real good bet that I will buy Max ,Maya ,Modo. before I upgrade C4D.

Quote - If you want a ignore button that's fine ,
but if you ignore james.
but if sue responds to jack in quotes ya still see the post.
so ignore buttons not a perfect fix.

I know it's hard some times but it's best be grown up and not respond.

I have to agree with you there.  IMO, the only time an ignore button is useful is for the chat room type of places where you sometimes get idiots flooding the place and making a conversation impossible.  Otherwise, I don't see the point.  

yea that  works  best  but  you  aint  gonna  get  everyone  to  do the be grown up and  not  respond  thing  wish they would  tho

Hmmm...

...reading a thread, full of folk who have all chosen to hit an ignore button against each other, could make for some amusing "dialogue"... on occasion... I guess? ;)

Then again... probably not often.

Quote - If you want a ignore button that's fine ,
but if you ignore james.
but if sue responds to jack in quotes ya still see the post.
so ignore buttons not a perfect fix.

I know it's hard some times but it's best be grown up and not respond.

put it this way. your in a bar talking to a friend and someone walks up and butts in. you ask them to leave. they carry on.

in the real world you can leave. in here, they can just carry on.

why should we have to put up them ? hmm?

in the real world, I can call the cops or punch them. here I have to put with them until they are bored or leave.

or we could have an ignore. you know, something every other board has! it's basic functionality!

***oh if you don't like it, you don't have to use it. it's that simple.

Ignore them, its just text on a screen.  Nothing annoys an attention seeker more than not getting any attention.

Didn't Renderosity have a ignore button years ago ?

Nope. I wish.

my brain has a built in ignore option

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...and that is the best one yet to be devised. Now. If we will but use it.

If I were cynical, I'd almost suspect that TPTB have reasons other than coding or workload related for not wanting such features. As Linda Lovelace might have said, I'll leave it at that.

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thats sounds perfect, could you post a link or pm your brain to me?

thanks in advance! :biggrin:

*Also another in the case for an ignore function.  I've had one stalker and one aggressive user have issues with me.  In both cases the staff here were able to do nothing to stop the stalker or to get the agressor to leave me alone. Since the rules as they stand protect trolls and those that wish to abuse the boards and their users. * 

*If this was email or im messaging,   I could have blocked them.  If this was facebook or a php system I could have blocked them. *

*But its rendo.  Where ppl advise you to "ignore"  things like this. *

*Well.  Fuck no.  Why should we let bullying like this happen?  Why can't we give users basic self defence tools? Why should we endure bullying and then cry about users leaving? *

Yeah, on balance, I think I am inclined to agree with Khai-J-Bach.

I've never subscribed to that adage "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me".

As human beings, our language, written or spoken, is surely one of the most powerful tools... and by extension, weapons... we have.

So, in context, words typed on a page, whether shouted out in a public space, or whispered menacingly in a private one, can be very potent things, can't they?

We should studiously avoid looking in our neighbor's windows, exercize caution at intersections and eat a balanced diet. Yet, we have curtains, stop signs, vitamin supplements and a host of other things - because people are people and nary a saint or perfectly programmed robot among us. To paraphrase Rummy, you deal with the species you have, not the one you wish you had.

Don't misunderstand... I am actively agitating for the features.

When they make a ignore button ,might be helpful if they make a undo or a unignore button.
Also it might be helpful to have a ignore next to a user name that has ignored you.
So ya know it's pointless to answer there question since they woun't see ya post.

Usually, the format is that you get a list of blocked users somewhere, e.g. in your forum options, so you can remove a block if you change your mind about someone.

Presumably, if you've ignored a user, you just won't see them, or their posts, in the forum threads... might just be in a given thread, if the feature let you ignore just for the scope of a thread.

Conversely, being able to see who has ignored you might be deemed an invasion of the (ignoring) user's privacy... and could just inflame matters?

If you're answering a question, then it's the person-ignoring-you's loss really... and others might still benefit from your answer anyway?

Wiz, we know you’re pushing for it and if it doesn’t happen, no one should blame you. ‘Kill’ filters have been around since at least the NNTP news group days, so obviously some people find them useful. I suppose they do give the members a bit more ‘power’ in some sense so that may be a philosophical issue – who knows.

IMO, listing who ignored you is a bad idea. We want to discourage petty infighting, not give people another excuse for grudges. Once before, I suggested an (anonymous) tally of ‘ignores.’ That could be an educational tool. Ideally, you’d get a tally by thread or even by post, so you could see that calling Vickie a drug addled trollop was hugely unpopular. I wouldn’t push for anything that sophisticated though. The report button and a basic ignore function would hopefully be more feasible.

It's too bad we can't install a "Get a Life" button.

*"*It's too bad we can't install a "Get a Life" button."

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Quote - Once before, I suggested an (anonymous) tally of ‘ignores.’ That could be an educational tool. Ideally, you’d get a tally by thread or even by post, so you could see that calling Vickie a drug addled trollop was hugely unpopular.

I thought an ignore tally could be useful, if the display says that 150 users have chosen to ignore everything that you type, then maybe, just maybe, you might reconsider your behaviour on the forum. It's sorta the opposite of having a lot of Facebook friends or 'likes'. That might be less susceptible to abuse than some other systems I've seen. 

The Messiah forums (Setup tab) have a feature where you can assign a positive or negative 'karma' point to a member for a particular post. This means that helpful forum regulars have positive 'karma' ratings in the hundreds, and jerks get the opposite. I remember around the time of that $10 promo there was an objectionable newb there who only had a dozen or so posts to his name but he had already clocked up about -100 karma points.

The modo forums had a 'signal' (good) rating that you could assign to a post with good technical info or a 'noise' (bad) rating for useless bitching or OT stuff. The intention was to make useful threads float to the top of the forum and the useless ones sink out of sight. They dropped the 'noise' option because people with personal grudges could seek out every single post from another user just to give it a 'noise' score regardless of what it said. It became just another way to fight. 

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Initially I read that as a "Get a wife" button...

@ Khai - Good points and I'd never thought of it from that POV.  As for your own experiences, yes, the Ignore button would have made things better.

In hindsight, it may have even made Neil decide to stay here.

Overall, I guess it can't be a bad thing if it keeps the good guys from leaving.  

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Initially I read that as a "Get a wife" button...

Well getting the first would be a great benefit to getting the second. And a reverse ingore button would probably be great for keeping her "Uh, honey, just ignore what I said there ok. Your mothers great."

Well until they come up with animatronic 3d printing. Then all bets are off.

I hate, loathe and despise my mother in law.  My wife knows this and I have never made any attempt to conceal it.

Thing is, my wife can't stand her, either.  :)  

Since I quoted monkeycloud anyone that ignored monkeycloud but had not ignored me would now see monkeycloud post.

Not that anyone would ever ignore monkeycloud.

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Conversely, being able to see who has ignored you might be deemed an invasion of the (ignoring) user's privacy... and could just inflame matters?

Not a lawyer so can't say about peoples rights.
but some how I think I would have the right to know who ignored me.

I'm on few CGI forums ,none are like this forum ,Never use the ignore button.
it would be like reading a book with pages missing ,I stay confused enough as it is.

There's a very few here I don't respond to there post very much.
They tend to rewrite what I said in there heads and turn it in to something mean.
I don't write long post explaining my feelings. If they change it in to something mean ,then that's there concern.

Humans are the most vicious animals on the planet.
All the technology in the universe will not change that fact.

Yeah... while I'm supportive of the principle of adding an ignore feature, I think RorrKon and SamTherapy are spot on about the limitations of that within forum threads.

It's something that likely works better in a chat or personal messaging context.

The "report abuse" button on each post could work better though.

I also like the idea mooted about users being able to anonymously rate others posts, e.g. as helpful or unhelpful...

...or even just on a neutral to positive scale.

At the same time I can see where the issues would lie with such a system too. There would be pitfalls and it could be open to situations, or at least the feeling on the part of individuals, that groups were ganging up... that sort of thing.

No one tool or combination is going to be a magic elixir. Anything that can be used can probably be abused as well. I'm pretty sure that the culture of the venue is a factor as well. What works for the ladies sewing circle may not work as well for a street gang. The fact is that tools like these are pretty commonplace in online communities. People here request them, especially when things get nasty. How well they would work, I don't know. The alternative is to do nothing and when the next round of bomb throwing erupts, there will be more calls for something to be done.

Personally, I somewhat doubt that they would cause widespread problems or abuse, simply because I think the problem is caused by a tiny minority of people. I think that most people don't fight most of the time, see the downside of quoting some inflamatory comment, and explain or ignore the occasional misinterpretation of their statements etc. Now warning and banning the few micreants would save a whole lot of trouble all around. That doesn't seem to happen here very often (which may be just as well for me :-) , but I don't know what goes on behind the scenes. I know one person once reported getting a suspension that surprised me. It may also be that they just don't see the problems often enough in real time. The report button might help there.

If they do implement the report button, I hope they make it clear that abuse of the 'abuse button' will not be tolerated. They can see who is reporting who - all kinds of predictive and analytic possibilities there but let's stick with reality. I can understand the negative arguments and I estimate the odds are in favor of nothing being done anyway, so see you here the next time around.  

This is are planet .We all know what a hell we've turned are planet into.
I can't write the rest of this paragraph.
I'll just say I'm a Anarchist That has very strong objections to shackles..

Renderosity forums are ,are forums.
I always thought Renderosity was one of the coolest forums around.

I'm not trying to be mean .I just don't know any other way to say this.

If Artist here knows there in a flame war and can't be mature enough to stop.
Then they go shackles me down I can't help my self.
That's there problem.
There trying to make there problems my problems
and shackles me down also.
That's not cool.

I sincerely hope Renderosity forums are not turned in to the police state cgtalk forums.

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If Artist here knows there in a flame war and can't be mature enough to stop.
Then they go shackles me down I can't help my self.
That's there problem.
There trying to make there problems my problems
and shackles me down also.
That's not cool.

As was pointed out by Khai, it's not just about flame wars.  Sometimes a person can be stalked and verbally harassed by another member.  Sometimes, even not responding to them doesn't work.  In any event, it's human nature to take a shot back when someone attacks you, maturity or not.

I can almost always resist the temptation but it's hard work because I know the shitbags who do it wouldn't dare to behave in that way to my face and anyhow, why the hell should I have to put up with some emotionally stilted no life idiot who likes to play a tough guy behind a keyboard?

Not everyone is resilient enough to take constant abuse; that has nothing to do with maturity, either.  It's sometimes to do with self image or illness or a myriad of other factors.  If we didn't sometimes fly off the handle or shout back we wouldn't be human.

Besides which, who on earth can equate a "Use if you want" ignore button with shackles?  

Any other time I would probably just let this go but it's a good example.

Where talking about 2 different subjects.

I never said anything about Khai-J-Bach being stalked and verbally harassed.
Yes I think Khai-J-Bach has every right to live in peace.
I do not think any one has the right to stalked and verbally harassed anyone.
I am all for basicwiz to take what ever steps necessary to see that no one is
stalked and verbally harassed.As long as it's fair & solves the problems with out causing more problems ,Does not involve shackles like cgtalk.

I was talking about the ones that will have pointless 3 pages of flame wars.
and at the end of reading there 3 pages of there pointless flame wars.
I haven't learned anything.

They will never get any sympathy from me.

Apparently are definition of mature are different.that's fine.
I'm not going to spend 3 pages arguing the definition of mature.
I'm just going to say we all see thing are own way ,that's cool with me.

Quote - Yeah, on balance, I think I am inclined to agree with Khai-J-Bach.

I've never subscribed to that adage "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me".

As human beings, our language, written or spoken, is surely one of the most powerful tools... and by extension, weapons... we have.

So, in context, words typed on a page, whether shouted out in a public space, or whispered menacingly in a private one, can be very potent things, can't they?

Words are only as powerful as you personally let them be to your life.  Something is only offensive if you allow yourself to be offended.

As long as people continue to take the expressions of some meaningless faceless individual on the internet as personal affronts to your very being as an individual, things will never change.

I used to be one of the most "famous" online identities in relation to a computer game community. The community of the games main rival collectively trolled and abused me online for many months.  I just ignored them (and occasionally had an incredibly fun time poking them to intensify their rage).  None of the personal attacks, death threats, comments to my manhood, redicule of my work had any effect on me at all. I found it all quite funny.  Why? because I DID NOT let it effect me.

Control of your own emotions and reactions is the most powerful tool you will ever give yourself in your life.

oh ya sometimes when I beat someone in WCFT they go to cussing me to no end.

cause there mad they lost ,cuss me all ya want ,I still won.

"Something is only offensive if you allow yourself to be offended." And it's only offensive if you actually get to read it. Often with online stuff time you get around to reading it, it's been deleted by a sites mod. Also sometimes do we give this stuff too much credence? And how much does context play a part? Local TV news is a prime example, take a hospital closure.. you'll always hear lines like... "a facebook campaign has been set up". Yet has the whole town nipped out and had a quick riot, nope it's a couple of hundred folks all agreeing on a particular point. Thats all. Twitter is the same, if you don't use it, how do you know what people are saying? If a group of people are having a whingefest about your freebie/products, they probably wouldn't be your 'consumers' anyway. So why worry? If anything while they are engaed in a little virtual self abuse, they ain't pestering anyone :) That said if someone comes onto rendo/daz and adversely comments on your product/freebie/gallery, you've got a valid context. Purely because these are niche sites and the people who are likely see your work come here. Especially if it's trolling to try to derail your efforts. Then being defensive - maybe even rude - isn't always unreasonable.

Quote - Control of your own emotions and reactions is the most powerful tool you will ever give yourself in your life.

Very well put :)

My biggest "problem" is that I find it hard not to always see and find at least some empathy with both sides of any given argument.

Both sides usually have a point. Assuming one side isn't purely arguing for the sake of it, which can happen... sometimes more benevolently, through one side playing "devil's advocate", sometimes, more malevolently perhaps.

Anyway, I usually find that I've climbed up and sat on a fence ;)

I guess I'm on the fence with this one... relative to adding both an ignore button and a report abuse one.

I can support the desire of some people to have these features... see where there could be a good case made, for the need for them.

At the same time, I'm personally, probably fairly unlikely to ever resort to using them... and certainly an ignore button, I'll likely ignore ;)

ah  but  we  do have  an ignore  button   it  is  called  delete

Self satisfaction with your own virtue is fine. Promoting it in others can be OK, up to a point. Expecting the mass of humankind to follow suit is always unrealistic.

I'm hanging out on the Skyrim forums quite a bit these days. They have an ignore function that cuts out quotes from ignored party as well, plus a link that permits you to temporarily un-ignore content in a thread if you find that the flow doesn't make sense because you're ignoring someone.

They also have a decently functioning reputation system, and use only 2 moderators, that I know of.

Getting a whole bunch of negative reputation puts you at a distinct disadvantage there, and there's little incentive to stay. There is such a thing as rating abuse, so the mods deal with reports of it. Obvious signs, such as give a negative rating to every post by a user in a thread get reversed pretty quick.

But they're also not running a store. So they can ban peeps and not worry that they are annoying customers who actually spend money.

Yeah, there are trolls and personal attacks and what not. But with a colorful and visually immediate way to call them out, it's not nearly as bothersome.

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Words are only as powerful as you personally let them be to your life.  Something is only offensive if you allow yourself to be offended.

 As long as people continue to take the expressions of some meaningless faceless individual on the internet as personal affronts to your very being as an individual, things will never change.

 I used to be one of the most "famous" online identities in relation to a computer game community. The community of the games main rival collectively trolled and abused me online for many months.  I just ignored them (and occasionally had an incredibly fun time poking them to intensify their rage).  None of the personal attacks, death threats, comments to my manhood, redicule of my work had any effect on me at all. I found it all quite funny.  Why? because I DID NOT let it effect me.

Control of your own emotions and reactions is the most powerful tool you will ever give yourself in your life.

If you've ever actually been stalked in real life, however, I guarantee the experience does not leave you, and death threats online can be extremely intimidating.

People so casually leave word bombs, and dismiss their targets as overly thin-skinned, but they have no idea what those people may have experienced.

Having said that, I have seen an awful lot of people in these forums and others get in a huff over "personal attacks" that were nothing more than an expression of disagreement. But we're not talking about these folks.

A young woman living alone who has already moved to a new city and changed her job and possibly her name to avoid a stalker with a history of violence against her who has been observed with weapon in hand and has a restraining order against him is likely going to react differently to threats of violence from people who may or may not be strangers than a full grown adult male who hasn't been in a serious physical confrontation since 4th grade.

No amount of will power is going to change these fundamental reactions. Fear is basic.

I say confound them with non-sense (or sentences that they are unable to decipher)... Lateral thinking is probably the only ignore button I need, unless I've had too much coffee.

I often wonder if I'm actually a Troll (need a new term as I like Trolls of the various lore varieties)... But I try to be helpful if it's within my power. I'm sure there are members who stradle the line?