*"*Some gave mysticeagle a hassle about it. They just blew it off like it wasn't that much."

That's not exactly accurate IMO, RK. No one disagreed that it was a great technical achievement. The discussion, quite a pleasant one I think, was over the diifference between technique and art. Unless I misread what he said, that thread was not part of why he left, but I could be wrong about that. * *

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