DAZ gets all unhappy if I try to sneak in SMV pictures, so the hair pics are 100% Vickie II (and the PreTeen). To tell the truth, I'm not all that good at twisting the dials anyway (with Supermodel Vickie and Supermodel Morph Vickie I use the default most of the time), but I did het lucky this time I guess, but still a large part of it is the textures. Give DAZ a call if you have problems, they are good people, I know they have had server problems in th epast (Steve mentioned they had some Thursday), but they will straighten things right out with a phone call. Anyway, after poseing the hair for the DAZ page I can see there are a couple-10 more morphs needed (there are only 40 right now!) so there will be a free upgrade in a week or so, I'll drop a note here. And yep, I mean load the hair twice, conform them both to the figure. What I usally do then is set the dials on one hair the way I want, then copy and paste the settings (Poser copys and pastes dial settings by default, as most of you know) into the other hair, but twist them a little different at spots- do things like make one front curl extra long, one extra short.