thanks to both lobo: thanking you muchly, if you can't get it through the poserforum my e-mail is poserstuff@apocx.hypermart.net eshal: shall do, but I'm just a bit wary of the costs, I'm living on a budget and can't really afford more than a few dollars a month for magazines, and here generally they'll sell for $10-$20 min if they come with a cd etc. which is fine once off, but not monthly (ok I know I'm a skinflint) actually my newsagent is really good at ordering things in, but I'll have to tell them each and every issue because they wouldn't stock it for just me :/ maybe I can watch the forum and every time one makes a buzz I'll ask them for it =) SewerRat