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But C8.1 scenes open fine in 8.5. I've been using 8.5 exclusivly for, lol over a year lol

I seem to recall I had troubles. Then again I stuff as much info in as it can handle, as all my scenes are masses of models and the like.

Also I can't run with a beta where the licence keeps running out, I'm on this all day most days so I need something stable. And yes I've learned to live with any bugs so I live a fairly hassle free life :-D