Thank you for the info. I do wonder why PMD isn't more popular... the requirement to make pre-existing channels is a pain sometimes. I really don't like INJ/REM which is an other reason I still use Daz 2 and Daz 3 Reduced Resolution whenever possible. I just wish I had more modern and fancier textures for them. I fixed face_off's skin scripts to work with the older and other figures though which is a big help.