Tell me something Jam, ol buddy. Exactly what is a pagan? Someone that doesn't believe exactly the way you do? or doesnt belong to your oh-so-mighty religion? Clarify this for me. I spent 20 years of my life as a Southern Baptist(for all the non-US peeps, a baptist is a right-wing fundementalist), and they were the worst years of my life, why? Because I thought that all the bad things in my life happened to me because I wasn't doing what God wanted me to do(more or less what the moron pastors where preaching), and then long about my 21st birthday, I was talking with a friend of mine who is a Wiccan, he and I were yaking about a lot of different things and that's when he told me, God only wants you to be happy and live by the commandments he set forth... and only a few of the commandments are applicable today, no stealing, no killing, don't sleep with family members, no other gods before Me, that stuff. When I realised this, I told my pastor to bite me and walked out of a sunday service. I have yet to be back to church save for the occaision times I got to one of the local Catholic churches. So answer me that Jam. What is a pagan? I take from the bible only what suits modern times and the modern world, and I borrow from other religions as well. Chief among them is the Native American beliefs. Those people are closer to God then any christian could ever BEG to be, why? because they live in harmony with their enviroment, and for the most part each other. They don't seek conquest over the world like it preaches in the bible "And man shall have dominion over every plant and animal on the face of the earth" What a crock of shit. The world has followed that edict, and look at our planet now... dying slowly because of our ignorance. Anyways, answer me the question with out any biased religious bs and I'll be happy.