Poser consistently fails with one out of five area renders, on my system.  It acts like it wants to render, spends all the time it would spend on the problem if it actually did render, but then... nothing.  Fake render!  Again!  Phaww!  Faugh!  I shake my fist.

So this happens a lot.  I think it started happening to me in P8.  In PPro2012, I can usually detect these in process because it doesn't render the SSS step while it slowly moves the progress bar toward its finish.  If the SSS isn't appearing, I can cancel the render.  In P8, and possibly Pro if I weren't using SSS, the fakes are harder to detect.  And I think I can only quit them because I render in a separate process.  There was a reason for that, involving avoidance of a Poser crash, IIRC.

My point.  I'll get to the point.  I have these fake renders.  Do others have this problem?  Is there a known cause?  Is there a way to avoid this?  Is this another SNAFUBAR permanent bug that Poser will now carry forward into all future versions?  Who has the skinny on this business? 

Never happened to me before with any version but Poser can do silly things if left running too long - needs to be closed and restarted every so often.

Does it happen at any particular time? The fact that it happened on previous versions makes me think that it's probably something to do with your system set-up than Poser itself - graphics card, memory eg.

I have the same problem. Not as often as you, but it's annoying. Unfortunately I have no idea how to fix it.

Happens to me too in PP2010

a fake aera render can happen when you set render dimentions to a size that is not the size of the preview window.

Setting render dimensions back to "Match preview window" in rendner dimensions will often solve aera render problems.

I do have this problem sometimes, too. I had in P8 and now in P9. The curious thing is: When I abort the "corrupt" render and restart it, it will render just fine. So I just put it in the "Something went wrong in the background"-category on my Things-that-may-happen-when-you-use-a-computer-list.

Happens to me ALL the time. PoserPro 2012. Happened in Poser 8 as well. It's really annoying, especially when I'm doing thumbnails and have to do a lot of renders in a row ;).

Laurie

I've had the same problem in Poser 8 when I attempt to do close up renders or close up area renders especially... I just chalked it up to being some obscure clipping plane problem unrelated to hither and yon.

Vilter's suggestion probably won't help in my instance as this anomaly has occured with settings at "match preview".

Would be nice to find a solution other than zooming out...

Edit_ Just tried to reproduce the problem by zooming in on a primitive and doing an AR and it rendered out fine, I seem to only have the problem with figures? shrugs. I'll test that next...

Just tried with a figure zoomed in and I can't seem to reproduce the problem, of course this being Poser and all I'm certain that the mischievious little bug will reappear when I'm not just testing. shrugs again...

anyway.

Cage: I tend to render complex figures with large texture maps. I put it down to running out of memory type errors. Have you reported it on Mantis?

Quote - Does it happen at any particular time? The fact that it happened on previous versions makes me think that it's probably something to do with your system set-up than Poser itself - graphics card, memory eg.

That seems likely.  Unfortunately, that seems to be one of many areas where I am an utter ignoramus.  I keep finding areas in life where people can explain things to me over and over, I will think I understand... and then I don't remember any of it.  :lol:  I have the same problem with gamma correction, Poser-wise.  Umm.  Not the brightest person in the lamp, is Cage.

Quote - a fake aera render can happen when you set render dimentions to a size that is not the size of the preview window.

Setting render dimensions back to "Match preview window" in rendner dimensions will often solve aera render problems.

Yes, I have had other problems with area renders, when my render dimensions and preview dimensions haven't matched.  In this current case, however, and generally when I have the fake render problem, renders are matched to the preview dimensions.  You raise a good point.  Thank you.  :thumbupboth:

Quote - Cage: I tend to render complex figures with large texture maps. I put it down to running out of memory type errors. Have you reported it on Mantis?

I think all of my vertex counts and texture sizes are quite moderate, compared to those of most Poser users.  :unsure:  I am only using Antonia-based figures and no maps are larger than 2048 square, and if I have multiple figures in a scene they all use the same figure bases and texture maps.  I've seen no obvious sign of having out-of-memory problems, but I suppose it's possible.  I used to have that happen a lot, in the P4-P5 days, so maybe I can't recognize it when it happens now, if the indicators aren't the same as then.  Used to be a huge problem.  :lol:  Couldn't even use a small reflection map in textured preview, with P4, without risking an OOM crash.  :lol:  :scared:

But... what's Mantis?  The closest I've come to reporting any recent Poser gripes would be kvetching about them here at 'Rosity.  Because Customer Support Gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper at SM has scared me away, after all my P8 problems.  :unsure:

Cage- Mantis is a giant insect that will grab and devour you-or it is the bug reporting webpage for Poser.

I don't know if you need an invite-from the POWERS THAT BE-or can create  a user name at the SM website. If you post a question about it on the RDNA forum-I suspect someone will be able to answer you.Given all the amazing Python work you did in conjunction with V4-WM-I suspect you are quite sharp! And RARELY-if EVER an "opinionated jerk." :-)

IF you post there-they who develop-may be able to "have at" this issue.

But... what's Mantis?  The closest I've come to reporting any recent Poser gripes would be kvetching about them here at 'Rosity.  Because Customer Support Gatekeeper.  The gatekeeper at SM has scared me away, after all my P8 problems.  :unsure:

Quote - Cage- Mantis is a giant insect that will grab and devour you-or it is the bug reporting webpage for Poser.

I don't know if you need an invite-from the POWERS THAT BE-or can create  a user name at the SM website. If you post a question about it on the RDNA forum-I suspect someone will be able to answer you.Given all the amazing Python work you did in conjunction with V4-WM-I suspect you are quite sharp! And RARELY-if EVER an "opinionated jerk." :-)
IF you post there-they who develop-may be able to "have at" this issue.

Interesting.  I'll see what I can do about gaining Matis access.  I have a few bugs to report, and a couple of suggestions.  I'd really like to see the "Restore Detail" script smoothing method applied for the Morph Brush, for instance.  And I'd like them to expand the applications of the vertex comparison method, which must underlie weight map transfers, to other areas such as morph transfer... or open it up to Python access.  We could do great things with that.  I gripe about Poser a lot, but they've done a great job in most areas, when adding or updating features.  :thumbupboth:  But one rarely posts about things that are working fine, like newspapers don't tell you about areas where everything is going well and nothing odd or bad is happening.  :unsure:

It's off-topic, but the big insect that will get you thing... really freaks me out!  :scared:  My current residence has a... slight bug population problem.  :lol:  The roaches are better now than when I moved in, but a few days ago I caught a HUMONGOUS MONSTER ROACH in the bathroom.  It was such a remarkable specimen that I preserved it in a ziplock bag, closed up and airtight.  This creature is still alive, awake, and active in this airtight bag, after almost 72 hours.  That really freaks me out.  No wonder I can't get rid of them.  Nothing kills them, short of a full squashing.  If they can live with no oxygen, I'm dealing with some terrifying superorganism.  Which thought brings on scary dreams about big bugs which will get me, bringing me back to your comment.  :unsure:

Now I'm all itchy ;).

I hope ya get ur problem solved Cage... It's a problem a lot of us have been having since Poser 8 at the very least ;). I just live with it like I live with a few other Poser "idiosyncrasies" LOL.

Laurie

Yeah. I get that too in PP2012. No idea why. Don't think it's memory related as it'll happen one time and then not the next. Seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.

Pretty sure the bag's permeable enough to let in sufficient O2 for its occupant. That's probably why the warning pictures always depict toddlers and not roaches. Kill it or let it go down the block somewhere. You start with abusing roaches, you'll end up dressing dogs in funny costumes.

Quote - Pretty sure the bag's permeable enough to let in sufficient O2 for its occupant. That's probably why the warning pictures always depict toddlers and not roaches. Kill it or let it go down the block somewhere. You start with abusing roaches, you'll end up dressing dogs in funny costumes.

I think I may get an ant farm and keep the thing as a pet bug.  Feed it bits of leftovers, study it closely to learn about my housemates/enemies.  Is this abuse.  Umm.  Socks aren't vegetables, man!  They should be wiped out!  Or something....

I thought I'd read that the oxygen molecules were too large to penetrate the "weave" of molecular connections in the polymer.  Can some get through, somehow?  I guess the flexibility of the substance suggests a good deal of irregularity in molecular positioning, so maybe there's the odd larger gap.  We're not talking about diamonds here.  Umm.  :unsure:

Laurie, no one ever fixes anything I dislike about Poser.  It's a bummer.  Even the time I had Cooper's ear directly (he was a nice guy, considering what a jerk I'd been before he aided me) I had to find my own workarounds for the problems I was having.  I don't know who is on the beta team or how they decide what functions are working or not, how others should handle to be acceptable, all that.  I begin to wonder about the quality of the programming and/or beta testing at times, though.  Maybe the beta team is a bunch of people who either just want Daz Barbies to plug into a scene, or those who want to sell Daz Barbie-like things to the others... plus Bagginsbill, who is a different category.

So.  Now that I have slagged off the whole known universe, I will withdraw.  Prob'ly I should get more sleep before posting on internets.  Umm.  :unsure:

 I think the Mantids would be happy to have you- er as a contributor that is! :-)

Giant Roaches... live in a subtropical environs? Yikes! There are STRANGE people that keep Madacascar Hissing Cockroaches as pets. I am ALMOST geek enough-having kept a Preying Mantis for awhile. Ate crickets it did! Spooky watching it hunt. It acted like a branch in the wind-swaying from side to side as it sloooowly crept up on the cricket-then WHAM! Cricket souffle.

Quote - > Quote - Cage- Mantis is a giant insect that will grab and devour you-or it is the bug reporting webpage for Poser.

I don't know if you need an invite-from the POWERS THAT BE-or can create  a user name at the SM website. If you post a question about it on the RDNA forum-I suspect someone will be able to answer you.Given all the amazing Python work you did in conjunction with V4-WM-I suspect you are quite sharp! And RARELY-if EVER an "opinionated jerk." :-)
IF you post there-they who develop-may be able to "have at" this issue.

Interesting.  I'll see what I can do about gaining Matis access.  I have a few bugs to report, and a couple of suggestions.  I'd really like to see the "Restore Detail" script smoothing method applied for the Morph Brush, for instance.  And I'd like them to expand the applications of the vertex comparison method, which must underlie weight map transfers, to other areas such as morph transfer... or open it up to Python access.  We could do great things with that.  I gripe about Poser a lot, but they've done a great job in most areas, when adding or updating features.  :thumbupboth:  But one rarely posts about things that are working fine, like newspapers don't tell you about areas where everything is going well and nothing odd or bad is happening.  :unsure:

It's off-topic, but the big insect that will get you thing... really freaks me out!  :scared:  My current residence has a... slight bug population problem.  :lol:  The roaches are better now than when I moved in, but a few days ago I caught a HUMONGOUS MONSTER ROACH in the bathroom.  It was such a remarkable specimen that I preserved it in a ziplock bag, closed up and airtight.  This creature is still alive, awake, and active in this airtight bag, after almost 72 hours.  That really freaks me out.  No wonder I can't get rid of them.  Nothing kills them, short of a full squashing.  If they can live with no oxygen, I'm dealing with some terrifying superorganism.  Which thought brings on scary dreams about big bugs which will get me, bringing me back to your comment.  :unsure: