Thanks much for your feed back DustRider.

I must admit that alot of what you talked of is a bit over my head but I will look them up, do some reading, follow some tut's, and run some test renders.    

You said; "I tend to try more for realistic 3D in my renders, rather than photo realism". I think maybe that is a more accurate discription of what Im trying to archive and just did not correctly express myself.

Anyway would you please look at the links below and tell me if you think I came close with these renders?

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2376393&user_id=234433&page=2&member&np   I love the way her lips came out and also skin around the breast area.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1730568&user_id=234433&page=6&member&np  I dont know, but I think this one and the aover are as close as I have ever come to the effect Im looking for, and it was just a hit or miss thing

Thanks again

Steel