PrecisionXXX ....where are they ? Let me know, I'll grab them and have a play. chris1972..Totally agree that an artists history and self perception plays a massive part here. I'm a unreserved working class commie leftie type, who's leapt from community based arts, to IT, caring etc and my dream of doing academic stuff. Afterwards the uni helped me set up my store site, so now the lot is mixed together. Plain truth is most of those jobs don't pay well, you do them because you care or enjoy them. But we also have to pragmatic and realistic enough to know when the rent needs paying and that community's only truly function when people do things together. Like selling stuff or teaching/learning to each other. Hence why I think raising debates like this are important. OK, we don't all agree, but I think we all learn and gain from them. ...probably many Freudian aspects as well.... Now theres a trusim :) Freud would've had a field day in the gallerys here :)

Pinky - you left the lens cap of your mind on again.