Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Help With Lali's Bits

DireLilith opened this issue on Apr 30, 2013 · 106 posts


shante posted Fri, 10 May 2013 at 2:38 PM

Quote - Well I signed up at erotic signature and had a gander at your imagery there, shante. Also many of the images you have here. You're obviously quite comfortable with using Poser to create your work, despite what you may say. Overall I'd say that you seem to put some emphasis on palpable atmosphere and light in your images, which is a good thing. Additionally you seem to populate your settings with a good usage of props and your posing and composition is pretty good too. Texture choice for your scenes looks good also.

I think though that perhaps you are using an older version of Poser so the results show in the renders. There is a real old school Poser look to your efforts, which for me personally isn't necessarily a bad thing, but perhaps a little jarring if you've gotten used to the look of IDL, complex skin set ups, and other more contemporary Poser tropes. Also your use of Poser legacy figures rather than more recent figures lends a peculiar quality that is compounded by the render style. There is definitely a feeling of uncertainty about when these works were created. I'm undecided as to whether this is a detraction from your images or if it's simply a stylistic device that I'm unaccustomed to seeing lately. I think It would be less successful if v4 were rendered in such a way simply because of all that has come since. It's like the images are caught between being decisive about style simply due to the style inherent in the technology, if that makes any sense (and more likely arising from my personal concerns about this, and things looking like Poser)...

It's probably contradictory for me to comment succinctly in a positive or negative way as I'm conflicted about realism vs. stylization in Poser and frequently lean more toward the appreciation of non-realist techniques. I feel this is more sympathetic to the limitations of the medium. It's a difficult thing for me to verbalize and really a work in progress in terms of my perception about Poser or CG in general being used to create static imagery, particularly when figures are involved (animation obviously introduces many things that operate on the suspension of disbelief or methods of diversion from the fact that don't happen with a still).

Anyway, in a nutshell (as my thought processes are becoming too circular and blunted right now) my critique is this; It looks like old Poser, but nicely made old Poser... which I can appreciate, unlike many others I'm certain.

Subject matter is a completely different topic, one that I didn't concern myself with when trying to look analytically at your renders. Yeah, it's erotica. No I didn't see any penetration that I can recall so I imagine that in a broad sense it's not pornographic... although I don't define penetration as the definition of porn in a philosophical sense. Comparitively tasteful I guess, subjective. Just glad I didn't see any torture porn or rape themes or any of the other overt abominations that Poser seems to spawn legally. Tentacle porn is bizarrely humorous, ditto with alot of hentai. There's many shades of course, but the graphic depiction of torture is something that I can't understand and consider the deranged fodder of sick fucks... that shit aint art by any stretch.

 

Hmmm!? Interesting critique. Got lost on some of the commentary but a few things slipped through to me.

First let me say the examples you are probably referring to having seen are indeed older. My newer work is NOT here at Renderosity. I hated posting here for so long when other options opened up to me I stopped. The TOS limitations, having to create a seperate thumb, etc.

I post newer work at:

DeviantArt...if not too erotic....more of my fantasy than erotic work is posted there

Renderotica....if no bestie or loli is involved...the site otherwise is VERY boring of late so I don't go there too much anymore

HentaiFoundry (though they are a grande pain in the creative A-holio to get past their stupid review methodology for posted images, frustrated,  i stopped posting there too) are the best repositiory of cool erotica specially in the Xeno, futta and hentai realms

EroticSignature images are at least for the most part created in P4 so, yes older and smacking of the P4 render engine simplicity. But I do think despite that huge deficiency, and despite being technically challenged in hardware and software and saavy of the more intricate functions of Poser back then, I did manage to pull off some interesting images.

 

Rape and torture sicken my. I prefer the imager in that genre to seem more consensual/contractual  than forced or if not, less violent and just mostly controlling. I have had real relationships where that was the case so the notion migrates into my work the same way. Even the tentacle stuff is more something that has gone past dread and pain and forced to."..hmm...I liked that! I think I will go and get me some more!"...jaded kinda stuff. Realistically that would never happen but where does it say erotica has to work realistically.

 

Realism in the render....I always wished I could create the Poser stuff to look more like my photography, afterall it is used to sublimate the ideas I had for photographs when I started and even now tries to accomplish this. I will never be technically saavy enough to accomplish that and have pretty much come to accept that. I just can't get past the learning curves to learn other 3D apps that will allow me to do that...so I accept the limitations and do the best I can.

This is all why I hesitate to call any of it ART!   ;)