JeffH, The fur trim is just primatives bent around the match the basic dress shape. Then I put a bunch of noise on them, At a real short frequency (.001). In poser, I added a Bump map that looks like fur, hand drawn in PSP. Play with the lighting a little and voila, fur! You can view the BUM file in PSP to get an idea of how dense the fur should be. If you'd like I can E-mail you the source BMP file. I may, time permitting, do a coat like this. If any body out there has a long coat already made up, we'll give it the tretment! The P4 Overcoat is a little un-flattering. I was thinking of somthing a little more "shapely". nerd