Thanks Xena! The story about the finger offset is a strange and convoluted one, but the bottom line is a bad pose (that is, a pose made with an offset figure) will offset the fingers, as this offset gets saved with a pose (even though you don't have dials to set it), unless the fingers have had the offsets locked, which I belive the fix pose does. Vickie I or Vickie II shouldn't make any difference, I'm sort of suprized that DAZ didn't fix this properly - they zeroed the offsets but didn't lock them. The lock works by setting limits and forcing limits, incidently. So anyway, we might be talking about something else here.