Yup, his arm and leg are both broken, good eye! I put them together in about 15 minutes, so you're right I do need to mess with them a lot more. I think I should have made him reach out to the one on the ground, who is actually a male character. 8^) Haven't seen anyone using the Celtic Male so I thought I'd throw him in. I believe he may still be for sale here at the Renderosity store. Thanks for the suggestions, sometimes I do this just to relax and then I dump it, but I did keep this one as a pz3 file so I could go back and work with it. Marque