Hi, It's a tribute to Microsoft's PR department that these "viruses" are still called that, instead of the far more accurate, (though damaging) "Microsoft viruses" (which is what they actualy are) since they only "infect" systems allready infected with Microsoft software :) When it only affects you if you're running IE or Outlook, then you know where to point the finger, right? :) Having said that, the latest bug, will infect any MAPI capable mail tool (but this is a MS "standard" so...) and you don't have to run the included binary, just reading the mail is good enough, you can thank MS for that "innovation" too :) As for "does it slip..." Yup, it infects the IIs web server, and from there it can infect any MS browser that connects to the infected web server. Neat huh? It also makes use of any backdoors left behind by "Code Red" Caveat Emptor... later jb