Hi, What I mean was that you can't really call them "computer viruses" since they don't work on any type of computer, only on those running MS's OS or apps, you can't even call them "email viruses" anymore since this new one, (and the past few) only work/spread through the insecurites of Outlook... It's more a matter of semantics/anthropology than an apportioning of blame :) later jb