Quote - Don't get me wrong here, Dawn is really pretty and I am impatiently waiting for release. A pretty face but her body is a semi-toon. It is an impossible thin waist and a small hip. That what I was talking about, we go away from real models to fantasy shapes without seeing it. We end up in galleries filled with toony fairies and pixie shapes. For excample: I've never seen a healthy woman in my life , where the y-scale lenght of her head was more than her x-scale waist width. Try yourself. Pick out some beauties from some magazines and measure her proportions.It  s o.k. to do fantasy creatures, but I just see a problem here in how we look at woman and what Ideals we evolve. It's here in Poser and in real life too. The amount of cosmetic surgeries is increasing.

I have to disagree with the "impossible thin waist" part. When I was younger, (many, many, moons ago), I was sewing my own clothes and had to take measurements for getting patterns to fit me.  At 5'2" and 114 lbs I was sorta petite with body at 34-20-32. I had the hourglass figure that Dawn has and I have fairly long legs for that height.  Even now, at age 62, my waist still indents quite a bit although it doesn't look quite the same as it did in my 20's and 30's :blink:  Age and gravity have taken their toll!